Wait, What? Women Are Too Emotional To Teach!

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This is the last of three posts I had in mind to address some too quickly swallowed, erroneous, not biblical but claimed as doctrinal teaching.

This one is a sticky one, a statement that even other women have defended. Quite a few years ago I was having what started out as a cordial conversation and ended with a women quite intensely stating women are not to teach because they are too emotional and therefore easily deceived! My reply with a reddening neck and cheeks and quavering voice, trying to stand my ground but keep up my polite ‘Christian’ demeanour was that no where in the Bible do I see that women are too emotional to teach!

So where does this idea come from?

I think  it goes something like this;

Some believe that even before the fall there was an authority structure with Adam as the ‘head’ of the Woman all because Adam was made first. The Woman disrupted that order by speaking to the serpent and acting independently of Adam – usurping his authority. Through this act – she enticed/seduced/encouraged him to sin by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Those who teach this confirm their take on scripture by linking it to the New Testament verse below:

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2:11-15

A confusing verse, even in this day of scholarly biblical enlightenment, but taken and used to help explain ‘the real or foundational sin’ in the garden. It would seem Adam’s true sin isn’t that he disobeyed Yahweh’s command but that he did not exercise his God given authority over the emotional Woman to protect or silence her. If he had done his job properly the serpent would not have had a chance! It has been said that women are more emotional and therefore more easily deceived. The Woman did not adhere to the divine authority structure and began communicating with the serpent without her ‘Head’s’ say so. She, being more emotional and given to the serpents enchanting and enticing words – took the bait. I think it is believed the Woman was deceived by the serpent because of her emotional response to his words and the attractive fruit on display. (When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it’

Take a read of some of these quotes below to see how this idea has been taken further

‘Women are vulnerable…. Women are more emotionally vulnerable to get into weird stuff.’

‘Women have an inner strength that men don’t… But spiritual strength, emotional strength, psychological strength? A wife needs to draw that strength from her husband, or from her male covering in some way.’

‘On the other hand, because of the fall, women have become over-sensitive. So while it is easier for a woman to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, it is also easier for a woman to hear the voice of another spirit and be deceived. Women are much more vulnerable to spiritual seduction and deception. The serpent got to Adam through his wife.’

‘Most of the people first to follow crazy trends and crazy doctrines will be women.’

The consequences being; today and throughout church history since the salvation of Yahshua, though we openly testify in our sermons and hymns that we are saved and forgiven, women must still be silenced and limited and controlled within the church so evil can once again not enter into the holy of holies and deceive the brethren. An order must continue as before the fall as this is God’s plan for humanity.

And so in churches today, women are limited in their contribution to the church service. Some outworkings of this I have witnessed or heard of are as follows.

  • Women are not to teach. But can teach other women, and children in Sunday school – but definitely not between the hours of 10:00am to 12:00 on a Sunday.
  • They can be in the worship team but they cannot choose the songs.
  • Women are not to choose hymns, bring a word, or pray during communion. A message put up on the wall via projector let newcomers know how it was done at this church.
  • One time an elder conceded a little and let women know that they could write a prayer down and hand it to their husband or an elder to read aloud.
  • A meeting regarding a conflict within our church – where all women and children were asked to leave while men were to remain and discuss the issues with the current eldership.
  • A mother frowned upon for praying aloud at her daughter’s baptism.
  • A woman told if she would stop speaking out in church her marital relationship might improve.

Maybe with good intentions through the ages bible scholars influenced by their culture and own biases have tried to make the puzzle pieces fit. However, their efforts have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

It doesn’t fit, but it keeps those in leadership and hungry for power and their own authority without accountability to perhaps more than half their congregation.

God loves us and our emotions. Often women particularly are said to have intuition – something we can’t always explain so we just have excused as an emotional response. Intuition is powerful and helpful – emotions are helpful as well, they tell us when something is wrong, they move us to action when logic and words aren’t always enough.

Some forget that anger is also an emotion but it seems it is an emotion allowed when giving a sermon by many a male preacher.

Don’t buy into it! God said Adam sinned, not because he didn’t control or protect his wife, because he disobeyed God and took of the fruit and ate.

I am not a scholar so I can’t say for sure what this verse in Timothy says, but I don’t believe it should be used as a silencer for women in church today. However let me just offer my own thoughts on this –

I am going to give this verse to you in the word order of how it is in Greek. https://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/2-11.htm

I’m not saying I’m right – but what I want to present is another possibility.

1 Timothy verse 11 – 12 – in the Greek order with English translations:

A woman in quietness let learn,

in all submissiveness to teach.

However a woman not I do permit nor to use authority over a man but to be in quietness.

Look at the meaning of the Greek word used for quiet below.

Strong’s Concordance
hésuchia: stillness

Original Word: ἡσυχία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hésuchia
Phonetic Spelling: (hay-soo-khee’-ah)
Definition: stillness
Usage: quietness, stillness, silence.

Cognate: 2271 hēsyxía (from hēsyxos, “quiet, stillness”) – quietness, implying calm; for the believer, 2271 (hēsyxía) is used of their God-produced calm which includes an inner tranquility that supports appropriate action. This term “does not mean speechlessness, which is more directly indicated by 4602 (sigḗ) (J. Thayer). See 2272 (hēsyxios).

“It is for freedom that He has set us free!” Galations 5:1

 

– Leanne

Wait, What? Beware the Jezebel Spirit!

Wait, What? God gives Polygamy the O.K?

It Hurts!

Many of you may have read or heard of John MacArthur’s latest words expressing his views about women.

Below is some of what he said:

“Eve got out from the protection of Adam, she was vulnerable, she was deceived. He sinned because he couldn’t live without her. She had become everything to him. When the roles are reversed, the women are deceived, bad things happen, the men are made weak, worse things happen. The whole human race went down with Adam. You tamper with this order, chaos is unending.”

https://www.christianpost.com/news/john-macarthur-clarifies-views-on-beth-moore-women-preachers-empowering-women-makes-weak-men.html

I am so grieved by the continual blame on Eve and therefore women, blaming us, and not trusting us. The more I look into it, I believe the opposite is more likely and MacArthur and friends seem to be repeating Adam’s line …’“The woman whom You gave me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate it.” Rather than him owning it and saying ‘Actually, ever since you said I can’t eat the fruit from that tree, all I have wanted to do is eat it and I did.’

When they say Adam sinned because she became everything to him – they are blaming Eve. When they say Adam was not exercising his headship – they are blaming Eve. When they say she went out from under the covering or protection of her husband – they are blaming Eve. When they say she usurped Adam’s authority – they are blaming Eve. When they say she was vulnerable because she spoke to the serpent – they are blaming Eve. No matter how much they tag on the ‘Adam sinned’ it is because of her, it is her fault. When they say she should have remained silent – they are blaming Eve.

Adam was never protecting Eve in the garden, she didn’t need his protection, she was in the presence of God. The one she did need protection from was possibly the man who had in his heart decided to turn away from God and go his own way.

My Evidence:

God saying something was not good even before Eve was brought forth from Adam.

In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:9

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:16-17

And we know what commands do;

But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.” (Romans 7:8)

Directly after the command:

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Genesis 2:18

The fairy tale commentary now taken as Scripture continues; “She had become everything to him’ says MacArthur – Really? Proof please? Did she still mean everything to him when he threw her under the bus saying “The woman whom You gave me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

‘When the roles are reversed, the women are deceived’ Again I need more evidence? Women are in power (where? the church, the world? the Whitehouse?) What is the gender ratio of leadership in all the churches MacArthur would denounce as ‘off the track, deceptive?

‘the men are made weak, worse things happen’. Still waiting Mr MacArthur, what are you thinking of when you write this?

Has he forgotten that Jesus didn’t have a problem with weakness? Don’t we want to see God’s strength rather than our own?

But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9

The whole human race went down with Adam. You tamper with this order, chaos is unending.”

Yep, the whole race went down with ADAM, not because of some order tampering but because of the condition of his heart, wanting to go his own way – away from God. Can we stop blaming poor Eve?! and then burdening saved women filled with God’s Spirit in the church with it?

“Don’t misunderstand this: This is what we are living in today,” he warned. “Empowering women makes weak men. Weak men make everybody vulnerable to danger.”

I really want to know how empowering women makes men weak? By his thinking women should sacrifice any desire to have power so men don’t lose theirs. Women should purposely make themselves weak so men can be strong? Is Mac threatened by powerful women?  I have seen and know of women who have tried to do this in the church, in their marriages – they think they are doing God’s will but they lose who they are, they hide the gifting God has given them and make themselves as nothing – and they are miserable and confused, and anxious.

The world tries to sell us the line to be someone we are not, why is the church doing it too?

I could go on, his comments towards women and female preachers are harsh and untruthful and not based on any sound reason or Scripture. Unfortunately the world will see another disgruntled, middle class white male who fears losing his power and the traditions that have kept him sitting pretty all these years. He does himself, men, women and the church a disservice.

 

– Leanne

 

‘Jezebel Spirit’… seriously?

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Hi, about the time Leanne wrote her post on the Jezebel Spirit, I also was writing a post to follow her soon after. A mite bit later than hoped, here it is…”

a couple of quotes to start the ball rolling…

“Jezebel crushes the will, and especially the will of man to make them passive. Jezebel’s main purpose is to destroy the image of Father God from the earth so that people will not want to reach out to Father God.” -Mariett Louw

“When a woman has a Jezebel Spirit she has first of all been Satanically seduced herself. Lets go back to the garden. The serpent came to Eve. He seduced Eve, then he used Eve to seduce Adam…” Jacob Prasch

 

The use of slandering women with having or operating under a ‘Jezebel spirit’ has been around for ages. Having been personally a past recipient of this smear campaign that instantly discredits your person and voice in the eyes and ears of others of your immediate church family and further afield, I would like to address what the bible actually says concerning Jezebel. Continue reading

Wait, What? God gives Polygamy the O.K?

Polygamy is not a topic I much enjoy thinking about, to me, as a woman and a human being I find it awful. My face screws up if I try to imagine myself in that scenario. It hurts to think about it. When I viewed the content related to the blog post by Christine  a while back about a man that felt it was his right to go against the law of this land and marry more than one woman, I got quite angry at the entitlement of this individual. It would be easy to wag my finger at other religions or sects and feel superior in my moral Christianity, another piece of evidence that our Way is the right Way right? All Christians are against polygamy wouldn’t you say?

Well, consider this comment from a Biblical scholar. A quote from his study of Genesis is below: Continue reading

Her Weakness or Sin?

medium_god-created-man-male-and-female-what-does-it-mean-to-be-complementarianI think I have pretty much written enough about Adam the man. But I need to say some more concerning the woman.

To recap briefly, the Bible, as previously stated, gives us 11 scripture verses revealing Adam’s sin and culpability concerning the ‘fall’ account of Genesis contrasted with the total of 3 scripture verses concerning the woman’s fall into sin, via deception. Though scripture doesn’t explicitly say Adam was a part of the deception in her eating of the fruit (verses clearly identify the serpent as deceiving her) there is room to wonder with his involvement because of:

  1. the text within the Genesis account indicating all was not well with Adam’s heart toward God (Gen 2:18).
  2. her incomplete version of God’s command as given by him.

Continue reading

Aasia Bibi -Thursday 13 October !!

Image result for faithful prayerContinue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering. Hebrews 13:3

 

Urgent – Aasia Bibi‘s final appeal takes place Thursday 13 October- tomorrow (Pakistan is approx. 8 hours behind Auckland NZ). Please call on YHVH for grace on her! Leanne wrote about Aasia previously at Keep on praying
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Ephesians 5:33

marketing-automation-and-reputation-managementIt seems for a while now that I’m always late, not quite up with the play, one step behind so to speak. Yesterday for example, September 19, 2016 was a good day to write a post, as it was ‘Suffrage’ day – the day to remember and celebrate when New Zealand women gained the right to vote in 1893! This is celebrated all the more here in New Zealand, as we were the first self-governing country in the world to extend this right to all women! Pat on the back for NZ and all other countries who have done likewise, unfortunately voting for women has still some way to go in this world and we need to remember and pray for those whose rights of equality are withheld by their countries tradition and rule.

Yesterday, however, was just one of two days that would have been good to have marked with a post. As it happens Sunday the 18th of September was also Continue reading

Love, Freedom, Truth – Christ!

 

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This is something I wrote maybe a few years ago now (with some minor tweaking), as we were becoming more aware of what the Bible truly teaches about women (or rather doesn’t!)

It is for freedom that He has set you free!
How precious this verse is. So much in this world wants to keep us from our freedom in Christ. I used to think it was just the things of the world or our own fears, but sadly much of ‘Christianity’ is opposed to our freedom also. Continue reading